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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 9, 2009 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pink Floyd manager quote

Whoops--screwed up on the revision to my other post...meant to say my older brother saw the show when Syd goes whacky but he thought that everything was fine...then they stop and he didn't think it was obvious that they should have, and got pissed...hmmm, now not sure I have it right. Will have to ask him about it. Or do you two know the story?

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Poster: JC Edwards Date: Jun 9, 2009 3:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pink Floyd manager quote

Pink Floyd = The most OVERRATED band in music history.

Not too mention the most morbid sounding!

Band's like Cream/early Fleetwood Mac et al could jam yes......but there wasn't a true Psychedelic one among them....especially Pink Floyd!

Their "Live in Pompei" was the closest they ever came; and that was minimal at best. The music was so structured, you could set up housekeeping!
Hell, they couldn't have taken their music to the edge and back again without the aid of a GPS.

It just sickens me how people jump on that PF band wagon and describe how much they "love" the most depressing band in history.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 9, 2009 3:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pink Floyd manager quote

Hey JCE, I largely agree with that sentiment for post Syd, but I most vigorously disagree with it for the first two albums, which are anything but depressing, and show experimentation of immense levels...IMHO.

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Poster: billydlions Date: Jun 9, 2009 4:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pink Floyd manager quote

David Gilmore replaced Syd, didn't he? I cant say I love PF, but I've always thought very highly of Gilmore as a guitar player.

Hey JCE...why are you sickened by this? They certainly had some good albums. It's hard to call them overrated when Dark Side has sold so many copies.

The most depressing music is the alternative shit from the '80's like The Cure...suicide music.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jun 10, 2009 6:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pink Floyd manager quote

"The most depressing music is the alternative shit from the '80's like The Cure...suicide music.'

lol...great line (and very true).

As for Floyd...I can see where someone may not dig their sound, or not like all the concept album trappings, but I'm really puzzled by this attitude some people have that popularity automatically equals suckiness. Seems like it is applied selectively- shit, "Revolver" was about as poppy as an album could ever hope to be (even the afformentioned "Tomorrow Never Knows', for all it's trippiness, clocks in an a very radio friendly 2:57).

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 10, 2009 8:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pink Floyd manager quote

I agree...that's why I always qualify it as a factor when I am diss-in some band. This was esp true for my friends in HS in the early 70s. We literally hated PFloyd and Led in part because of their pop following, and the complete dumbasses that spoke so highly of them.

Absurdly juvenile of us, but it was literally a case of "do you SEE who is raving about that band over there?!" "There is NO frickin way I am getting in on that!"

Now, we then, and later, tried to objectively evaluate such bands, but I am left with a residual "societal disdain factor" or some such that comes directly from those sorts of experiences...the flip side is there too: in a way, we were "cool" to be indulging in these anti-social, anti-establishment bands like the DEAD.

Not to make too much of all this, BUT it is defn there, and defn NOT defensible nor objective in its foundation for critique.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 9, 2009 4:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pink Floyd manager quote

Yep, he was his HS buddy I think. I also thought highly of him...seemed like a good guy too, but I only know a bit of the last 35 yrs...The other guys sometimes seemed a bit off putting, but like what we spoke of above, hard to know what was real and what was distorted by the media, etc.

I will say that some of my "rejection" of them was a feeling of an almost "too pop" or "sell out" aspect (whatever the Hell that is) post Syd...does that make any sense? Might have been an over-reaction to popularity.

But, I stand by Syd as an amazing talent and innovator of immense proportions...the kinds of sounds he generated in the appropriate context of a song and the writing and so on and so forth...I really can't say enough about the guy. I always thought that everything they did post Syd was a pale immitation of the seeds he planted. Overstated no doubt, but certainly the band members acknowledged him in latter yrs...in a big way it seemed.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jun 9, 2009 7:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pink Floyd manager quote

Coming from someone slightly younger, but you could also say the same about depressing "Old Testament masochism Bob" (Dylan), as Leary quipped.

I read about Syd on Wikipedia and listened to Wish You Were Here in honor of the posts today, to reconnect. I still like their stuff, maybe from formative listening to a hippie radio station in St Louis whose stations IDs were often snippets of "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" and "In Memory of Elizabeth Reed." Not really pop ditties!

Jerry could be a downer too, but then "nothing comes for free." Sometimes it seems "your back might need protection" and one may need to time to ponder on the appearance of heaven and hell in this life and in the "bye & bye." Can you tell? Could Syd always?

This post was modified by spacedface on 2009-06-10 02:41:11

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Poster: JC Edwards Date: Jun 9, 2009 5:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pink Floyd manager quote

Tell my man I will agree with you on Piper's.....but that's about all.

billyd.....Dark Side is the most overrated ALBUM of all time!
For Christ's sake you cannot even turn a radio on now without something from that or The Wall coming on every 30 F*CKING MINUTES! For me, as a musician, Pink Floyd = Top 40 FM Pop Music.

I will agree with you on the crap distilled in the 80's! What a bore of a decade.........best thing to come out of the 80's was Stevie Ray......and He's Gone too!!

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Poster: barongsong Date: Jun 10, 2009 5:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Pink Floyd manager quote

It's been 20 yrs or so since I watched it but "Live in Pompei" was, as you implied, really good.
Also I recall an excellent bit where one of the band members is talking about the electronics that they use and cautioning that they can get burdensome for jamming and you have to walk a fine line between cool sounds and expression, or something to that extent. I kinda wonder if they got to caught up to much in the electronics part in the later years.
I think I remember this segment mostly because it seemed at the time I was watching it that Jerry might be having the same problem of overburdening himself with the midi stuff, when he first started to do it in 89. Mainly because he seemed to have troubles transitioning into it, although he did seem to get better at those transitions over time.

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